I give Hayes points for being a successful business man but I wouldn't recommend anyone learning from him today because I truly believe he has lost the "magic"! He had it in the past but somewhere down the slowly faded away. This is false and it really ticks me off because Hayes makes NO attempt to clear this up but lets it continue because at the end of the day.it all means that there is more $$ going into his pocket. What I do disagree with is people getting confused and claiming that because they are ToShinDo then they are Bujinkan as well. ![]() Neither do I dispute that his ToShinDo cirriculum is decent. ![]() I don't dispute that Hayes is an excellent business man and knows how to run a dojo and bring in the $$. I trained with Hayes for close to 2 years and have many other friends who have trained with Hayes longer than I. ![]() Well Gary, You are correct that what Hayes teaches may not be for everyone and that we are all different.
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